Vipassana Meditation
🌷Interview with Vipassana Teacher Shri Satya Narayan Goenkaji.🌷
(Colombo, Sri Lanka, 18th May, 2006)
1) For you, what is the significance of the 2550th Buddha Jayanthi?
Goenkaji : It is very important. Because the first Buddha Sasana of 2500 years ended 50 years ago. And now the second Buddha Sasana has started. This is the fiftieth year of the second Buddha Sasana. A very important period, where the Buddha’s teaching will again arise and spread around the world.
2) There are various beliefs as to how long the Buddha Sasana will last. In Sri Lanka it is believed that it will last for 5000 years, and others believe that it will last for 10,000 years. What is your opinion on this?
Goenkaji : Well, so long as it is working now, why worry about the future? It gives results here and now and that is more important for us. It was lost, the real benefit of Buddha’s teaching was lost. Now it has started again, giving results. And that is much more important.
3) And that is Vipassana?
That is Vipassana. Certainly.
4) You have said that Vipassana is the practical quintessence of the Buddha’s teaching, and also of all religions.
Goenkaji : Yes it is for all religions. People from every religion can practice it and are practising it now; there is no religion in the world whose followers are not attending Vipassana Meditation courses. Because Buddha’s teaching is so nonsectarian, it is so universal, so result-oriented. There is no blind faith involved, you practice, you experience the truth and then only you believe in it. This is the teaching of Buddha. It gives results, so people accept it easily.
5) Have you been inspired by other religions in the teaching of Vipassana?
Goenkaji : That’s what I say, there is no religion in the world today whose followers are not accepting Vipassana. In Vipassana centres people come from different religions and they participate. Not only the followers of different religions, but also their teachers, their masters come to the courses. And they are so happy with it. Because the teaching is such. The teaching is morality. Now which religion in the world is against morality? Every religion wants people to live a moral life. And I believe, for a moral life you must be master of your own mind, you must be able to control your own mind. And this is what the technique teaches, how to control the mind. And in a very scientific way, not a sectarian way, you observe your respiration. Respiration is respiration. You can’t give any label to it. You can’t say that this is Buddhist respiration or Hindu respiration or Christian respiration. Breath coming in, breath going out, you just observe it. No verbalisation, no visualisation. Just breath, mere breath; people accept it. And then you continue to observe yourself, the body and the sensations arising on the body which are related to the mind, the mental impurities. You start experiencing this, and you find you feel so miserable because of the impurity. And you start coming out of that impurity and start living a better life, happier life, peaceful life. The same result is there for everybody.
6) My sister went for the ten-day course in Kandy. And she was saying that in the first few days there was so much pain in the body?
Goenkaji : Naturally, naturally. As I say, the sensations that you experience are manifestations of the impurities that you have accumulated. So if the impurity is such that it starts manifesting itself as pain, or pleasure, or happiness, or hatred, you feel it, you observe it understanding that this is not permanent, it’s not eternal and you keep on observing it with equanimity, with a balanced mind. And it becomes weaker, weaker, weaker, and it passes away. You are free from it. It is good that these come up to the surface to pass away.
7) Yes, she said that at the end of the course she felt very good.
Goenkaji : That is good. Because when the impurities leave you feel very good. When the impurities are coming out, naturally it is unpleasant. You cut open a wound, and the pus starts coming out. Only pus will come out of the wound. Not rose water. You have so much pus so it starts coming out. But it passes away, and you are free from it. Then you are a happy person.
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8) Is there any possibility of having the 60-day course here as well?
Goenkaji : Well there’s a centre here and another centre is coming up and ten-day courses are being given there. There is no restriction, anyone can join in the ten-day course so long as accommodation is available. You can join. The one-day course that is being given is only for the older students. A new student cannot get anything in one day. Ten days is the minimum period required to work with and understand this technique. If people get established in ten days, then they can attend a 20-day course, a 30-day course, a 45-day course, and then they may take the 60-day course. People go deeper and deeper and deeper, to eradicate the impurity at the deepest level of the mind, at the root level of the mind. To purify the mind it is essential. And people are happy to do that. There are long queues for courses. We can’t accommodate everybody. In Kandy we have started the 30day and 45-day courses, but not 60-days yet.
9) You have spoken at the UN World Peace Summit. In your opinion, what is the best solution to the problems that we face in Sri Lanka in relation to establishing peace?
Goenkaji : For everyone, Vipassana is the best solution and I would say the only solution. For everybody, in every situation. If your mind is agitated, if you are miserable yourself, how can you find a solution for a problem? However, if the mind becomes calm, tranquil, pure, then whatever decision you make will be a good decision, a healthy decision, right decision. But the mind must be calm and pure. This is what Vipassana teaches.
10) So, our leaders should follow a course?
Goenkaji : Well, of course we cannot force leaders to come. But they are welcome, and a number of leaders have attended courses in India and in other countries. And they are happy with the course. From different communities, different religions, different countries, they come and they all get a positive result. The Buddha’s teaching is so universal, so non-sectarian; people don’t feel that it is something foreign or something belonging to another religion. They say, ‘Oh, it is the same with our religion’. There was a very elderly mother superior in the first Christian missionaries group that came to us. At the end of the course she said, ‘Goenka, you are teaching Christianity in the name of Buddha!’. I am teaching Dhamma which is for all.
11) Our bosses in Sri Lanka too should be encouraged to give paid leave to attend the courses.
Goenkaji : Well, in time they will start realising that it gives good, tangible results, that administration work improves. Most of the offices in administration are full of tension as they have so much responsibility. When they get peace of mind they can work much better and then results will start coming. And a time will come when the government here will also give leave with pay for all employees to go and take a ten-day course. Large numbers of executives, not only government executives but business executives as well are coming. This is so in India, and in other places. There are executive courses in America. A number of executives of different companies have attended and they were happy.
12) Before you took to Vipassana, it is said that you were short-tempered, egoistic and that you made yourself and others around you miserable.
Goenkaji : Yes, a short-tempered person is always miserable. How can he be happy. So I was a very miserable person. Then I got Dhamma. Not that in ten days all my misery went away. But it started diminishing, diminishing, diminishing. The negativity became less, less, less. I am a happier person now.
13) Then it wasn’t a difficult decision to leave that life?
GoenkaJi: I still carried on my responsibility as a householder. I looked after my family, I looked after my business, my industry. And yet I kept on progressing in Dhamma. A time came when my teacher found that I was fit to teach others and he appointed me a teacher. And so I came to India and started teaching. By then I was out of business. One hundred per cent of my time has been given only to the spread of Vipassana.
14) How would you describe yourself now?
Goenkaji : I describe myself as Goenka. A good human being, a good human being. I am happy and make others happy.
15) What is your assessment of progress among “students” here in Sri Lanka?
Everywhere, the same result. Millions of people have taken Vipassana courses. Not a single person has come and reported to me or to anyone else that they wasted their ten days. Everyone gets benefits more or less according to the effort one makes. The technique is the same for everyone. Those who practice they get benefits out of it. Everybody’s happy.
16) And people who follow it invariably ask for a longer course.
Goenkaji : Yes, but we don’t give a longer course to everybody who asks for it. We first assess if someone is ready to take a longer course. One must have taken a number of courses, ten-day courses, and practised everyday morning and evening. There must be some change in life for the better. And only then one can go deeper, make further changes in life. So not everybody is given long courses. We evaluate them, if we find that they are suitable then we give them a long course.
17) Isn’t there a tendency for people to “run away” when it gets too difficult?
Goenkaji : Well, we can’t help that. If someone wants to go then we let them. But there are very few, very few. Take a ten-day course. You have taken so much of my time. So you must give some time to me! (laughing)
(The Island News, Sri Lanka : Interviewed by Nadeera Seneviratne)
(Vipassana Newsletter Vol. 31, No. 3, 28 March, 2021.)
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